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Star Wars - The Force Awakens


Anyone see it?

We bought it because I do not do Movie theaters. I thought it was really good. It is sort of a been there done that feeling because it's like they took the original three movies and merged them using new characters. That might make you think it wouldn't be any good but it is.. at least I thought it was.

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It's the only thing I went to see in theater in last ten years - since Episode III.

I was disappointed in many ways. I was expecting a big new beginning of third trilogy, but instead this is more a fourth part to the original trilogy - which was already running out of steam at Jedi.
Actors, dialogue and characters were OK, but there isn't any instant classic except maybe whatshername, the orange Yoda.
But there are some - several! - scenes that are so stupid they got to me as bad as Jar Jar and Padme-Anakin romance in II/III. Flying into that wreckage, the stuck TIE fighter, the cargo creatures, ground splitting in the end... aargh!

The single worst detail of the film is captain Phasma, the "Chrome Trooper". This could've been the new Boba Fett, but instead the character is practically not used at all (could've been replaced by nameless officers). And when she does appear, this high-ranking soldier assists heroes in destroying her base, just because they point a gun at her - even though they aren't ready to kill her, because it would be wrong to kill an unarmed prisoner when you're trying blow up the planet she's on, killing her soon with thousands of others!

All that rant out, the film did have a good list of positive qualities. But since they're no fun to talk about couple more complaints. What VII lacks is one or more really really supercool things/moments. III had ton of lightsaber fights and Grievous, II had Jango Fett and good lightsaber action in the end, even I had Darth Maul if nothing else good. While Kylo Ren is an interesting character, he's not cool any more than Luke or young Obi-Wan.
Also I think VII fails on music. It wasn't used as integral part of the film like in all others, music was just back there barely noticeable.


Yet, all things considered it's better than Episode I, But I have hard time deciding what order I put II, III and VII.
Old trilogy is in totally different class than the rest. (And VI is no match to IV and V, too many minus points for ewoks.)

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I hated the middle three movies so I loved this one, it felt like the originals and had that Luke, Han and Leia feel with the new characters. And some interesting twists that I won't talk about for those that haven't seen it.

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I've never gotten the hype with Star [sign in to see URL]'ll take Dr Who and Star Trek over Star Wars


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Doctor Who, OK, it's hard to compare 7 movies (you watch again and again) to tens/hundreds of episodes (that are new upon new). Who is more an intellectual pleasure.

But I've never gotten into Star Trek. Sure, I've watched all of TOS, TNG and DS9 (I think) and all movies, But I've never appreciated it that high.
Babylon 5 on the other hand...


I like Episode III and especially Episode II more than most people. If you have two movies and one has some 5-star moments and some 1-star crap and the other is all through basic 3-star quality, I take the first one any day. And that's Episode II.
Episode III is more like 2-star/4-star.
VII plays it too safe, tries to stay at 3-star and doesn't even make it (those stupid moments).

I remember how I've felt after seeing each film.
I: Didn't know what to think. Sure it wasn't as good as the old ones, but it was an experience. There was ambition there, even though it didn't work.
II: As annoyed as I was by the retarded Padme-Anakin dialogue and factory line platformer, I was still happy with how they pulled off Jango Fett (potentially stupid idea) and the final fights with Dooku are some of the best moments in the trilogy. I was left satisfied.
III: It was all over, done for better and worse. (I really expected there wouldn't be VII, silly me.) There were great bits and bad bits and I didn't like the hurried endings, but at the moment I couldn't be mad about little details, here at the end of the great phenomenon.
VII: This was the only time I was disappointed. (Well, besides V Special Edition, as it didn't add really anything.) It wasn't what I had expected and it wasn't good at what it had tried to be.
VII just doesn't feel as good to me as all the others. Even Episode I; "Duel of Fates" and Darth Maul, there isn't one thing in VII that makes you feel warm inside like those.

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Can't stand Dr. Who... tried watching one time and lasted about 5 minutes.

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I just watched TFA for second time and here's some thoughts.

It's probably only movie I've seen in theater that was better and more impressive experience to watch on TV. Maybe it's just that it's one of those films that get better - or right word might be more tolerable - the more times you see it. Except for the earth splitting in final battle and monster eating everyone else in a second but not Finn, I wasn't as bothered by stupid moments as on first seeing.

One thing that did still bother me was dialogue in early parts, particularly Poe and Finn having some "funny" lines that made them sound like Eddie Murphy and Mel Gibson in 80's action comedies.

One of the most common complaints about TFA is that Rey learns to use Force just like that. I don't have problem with that. Anakin build a freakin' champion race pod and flew it as kid, without knowing what Force is. Luke had hours of training with lightsaber when he learns to beat the device blind.
And further, the title is "Force Awakens"; maybe that actually means something. Snoke says there's an "awakening". And I'll remind you:

Ben Kenobi: Remember, a Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him.
Luke Skywalker: You mean it controls your actions?
Kenobi: Partially, but it also obeys your commands.

"Force controls your actions." Perhaps the "awakening" means that the Force itself is acting more actively through people. (My further personal theory is that Luke has, at least partially, caused this by some meditational contact with Force - perhaps what Yoda was doing all the years in Dagobah.)
Despite this defense, while Rey using Force abilities and lightsaber like an average Jedi are thing I'm fine with, the way she flies Falcon right away better than Lando ever.

In total, TFA still seems... mild. It lacks pathos and drama that even the prequels had. And the more subtle elements of more complicated characters (Finn, Kylo, Rey) don't quite have real depth in them either.
I seem to be getting over the initial negative feeling on the film, but I don't think I'll ever truly like it. Just a filled between (hopefully) better parts.

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I'm going to watch it again soon. I do think Luke sent for Rey. As the woman told her, his lightsaber had been waiting for her.

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But this is the lightsaber that was lost with his hand in Bespin. Who found it, when and how? (Btw, when did Anakin build it? Did he have same one through III?)

I think Luke has seen some future and is acting based on that what might happen.

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I finally saw it last night (thanks, Bec!) and I have to say I really enjoyed it. As Bec said, it does have something of a been there, done that quality to it because it brings us back to the originals but I don't mind that. In fact I liked it. Loved the new droid, especially the thumbs up! And I liked the banter between Finn and [sign in to see URL] think they were trying for a Han/Luke chemistry there and for me it worked.

I do agree on the music lacking as much impact as it did in the original trilogy, but that's really a minor thing overall.

After the disaster that was the prequels I did not have high expectations so I was pleasantly surprised.

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